Review Cima 1058 vs Cima 1

Review Cima 1058 vs Cima 1

Introduction

Not long ago we were discussing the now bestselling Cima 1. The impression was quite good and i wanted to repeat with the brand to see what other models could be interesting.

The knife Cima 1 was well finished and was very suitable for bushcraft tasks, lets see what we find on the knife Cima 1058 compared with Cima 1...

Exterior design and appearance

The Cima 1 model was excellent for bushcraft tasks because of its morphology, with a big belly that facilitates cutting food (important in the field), full flat grind, which is great for wood and a good thick spine and tip (specific because the thickness of the spine is not always in line with the thickness of the tip).

OverView

However, aesthetics, morphology and use of Cima 1058 is different, not so well has been sold as his brother despite having a better steel, probably because at first sight is not very attractive, perhaps a very straight handle and without guard or than that guard is deployed at the blade itself. But surely the most obvious reason is that the Cima 1 has the appearance of a ESEE 3, and i think that's something definitive for the buyer, of course then there is a good knife, but that seemed, in my opinion, it is the success of the knife and the drive to try and to check it’s good.

The model 1058 hasn’t the belly of model 1, or full flat grind but concave grind (hollow grind), although not very aggressive, a thinner tip but a thicker spine. In addition, the tip is much more penetrating because it has less material, which is weaker for bushcraft, but better for self defense or to pierce elements. There are two versions, one coated and the other without. Here you can see which is the version with the coated blade.

Blade detail (up Cima 1058, down Cima 1)

On the right the more penetrating tip of Cima 1058

Even the covers are very different, being of plastic with a metal hook and the other completely in leather, although i appreciate as it’s as spotted almost everywhere, the color is not homogeneous, do not know if it’s a defect in the leather, but not it is a black uniform. It's up to everyone who likes more, but the leather is very safe for engagement with clip and smaller in width, but longer than the Cima 1 sheath, calling attention also less people.

Sheaths (up Cima 1058, down Cima 1)

It can be seen as a whitish layer on Cima 1058 (up)

Photo taken with other parameters so that you can better appreciate this kind of layer.

The truth that the Cima 1’s sheath seems more for bushcraft, with drain hole included and the Cima 1058’s sheath for hunting (leather, more traditional, without drain hole).

The dimensions and weight of the model 1058 are similar to those of model 1, where:

	Total length	Blade length	Weight
Cima 1	21.5 cm	8.5 cm	208 gr
Cima 1058	20.5 cm	9.5 cm	221 gr

The knife wears a black G10 handle very straight ending in a kind of final staircase, with jimping on the blade and the handle, then we'll see how it behaves in the handling and use section.

Handles  (up Cima 1058, down Cima 1)

Texture detail handle Cima 1058

The blade is made of 9Cr18Mov steel , it is a good improvement from Cima 1 with 7Cr17Mov, it is true that, in the absence of analyzing the heat treatment, in theory, the 9Cr18Mov would be a couple of steps above the 7Cr17Mov (in the middle would be the 8Cr13Mov and 8Cr14Mov). 

The 9Cr18Mov steel is one of the best steels of Chinese origin that can be found in Chinese folder knives or fixed knives and falls within what could be accepted as 440C, although in the limit, but may be within that category. Nor should we pretend to have a huge difference between these steels. But if we take the case to the data supplied by the manufacturer, steel of Cima 1 is hardened to 58HRC and of the Cima 1058 until 62HRC (the manufacturer must be very sure of their quality control in heat treatment), it is normal that with better steel can reach higher hardness values and if it is true they are 62HRC we are talking about fairly hardness, better edge retention, but harder to sharpen. The study of the actual hardness of steel need a machine called "durometer".

As for the sharp factory it is pretty good and a little above the level found in Cima 1 (already good), very very sharp, shaving dry. However, sharpening angle varies across the blade seeing  clearly as the width of the bevel edge is varying (and being very wide that bevel in some areas) while sharpening of the Cima 1 is more constant in its angle and the bezel is smaller.

Different edge bezel  (left Cima 1, right Cima 1058)

To comment about the blade of the model 1058, than because of its design looks smaller than it is, shorter. Maybe because the blade width is small near the tip. But if we compare the cutting area of the blade relative to model 1, we will see that the 1058 is about 1 cm longer.

Handling and use

A spine of just over 5 mm with such a thin tip it does not seem a good idea because the thickness of spine is made for "batoning" hit wood, leverage, hard work... and if now put such a thin tip then if you make holes in the wood rotating the tip or levering it may break. And if the intention of that tip is to be a knife more for self-defense or penetration, for what a Spine of more than 5 mm thick?.

Overcoming 5 mm thick in the Cima 1058

The fact is that the Cima 1058 begins from a greater spine thickness than the Cima 1, but it goes reducing very quickly, while the Cima 1 is more constant and reaches the end with more thickness. We must take into account not only the thickness of the tip, but the concave grind (hollow grind), which is weaker than the full flat grind up to equal thickness.

Blade spine 1 (up Cima 1058, down Cima 1)

Blade spine 2 (up Cima 1058, down Cima 1)

The handle provides a good ergonomics but less than Cima 1, the G10 grip is good thanks to the grip of the handle and the blade together with the G10 with a good textured. In this case because of the peculiarity of knife design we haven’t a guard in the handle but the blade itself does the guard, not nailed anything on the finger, it is quite wide.

The touch is very different from what we had in Cima 1 with linen Micarta which was very smooth and porous to time with a very good grip. In the Cima 1058 the texture touch on G10 is harder, how couldn’t it be otherwise, but is very fine. The width of the handle is slightly larger than the Cima 1 and the blade into the handle is wider too.

 Blade width in the handle (Cima 1058 up, doww Cima 1)

Blade thickness detail while going through the handle Cima 1058

I especially did not like me that the handle ends on a ladder, it would be much better rounded like the Cima 1 one, those steps nail me a bit in the hand, besides the 1058’s jimping also is overdue respect the Cima 1, that makes it impossible to overtake the hand and the handle was small for me, it would need a longer handle and if it’s possible without those steps. Except the end with a ladder, i really like the feel of the handle in the hand.

Termination staircase Cima 1058

For the type of knife i think i see very clearly that for bushcraft is better the Cima Cima 1 than the Cima 1058 (by belly for food preparation, more consistently of the blade thickness, stronger tip, ergonomics ...) and the model 1058 i see it more for self-defense, hunting, cutting things where before you have to pierce (the tip is thinner and the blade shape is narrower in terms of belly), but we don’t make mistake, it is a very strong knife with solid construction and in the field will also make the cut, but is weaker for leverage with the tip or holes rotating said tip.

Finally, to add that the balance of both knives are in the same place, approximately ¼ of the handle beginning behind the blade.

Final verdict

Although the morphology is different from Cima 1, i can recommend the Cima 1058 undoubtedly, it is strong, with good piercing capabilities, better steel than the Cima 1 and a great guard if you must to pierce on hard things that the hand will not slip to the blade. A very well built knife, very strong, "full tang", and better for hunting or self-defense issues than Cima 1.

Final view Cima 1058

Pros

- For a similar price to the Cima 1 we have a steel two steps above, from 7Cr17MOV to 9Cr18Mov.

- Narrow blade at the beginning and "thin" tip that facilitates the piercing and very good guard to make force on penetration.

- A very good price for such a well built knife, full tang, 9Cr18Mov steel and quite different design than what is usually seen.

Cons

- I do not like a spine of more than 5 mm thick with such a thin tip, i prefer that the tip is related to the thickness of spine. For example, 1 mm down the spine and up 1 mm the tip.

- Surely the weight for some is excessive for the size of the knife. They are more than 5 mm of spine…

- Thin tip for bushcraft relative to what we found in the Cima 1.

- Although the handle, for its width, ergonomics and texture G10 is good, the termination in a ladder i do not like, annoying, plus the handle is short because the jimping is overdue about the Cima 1. Or you advance the jimping, or make a longer handle or at least round the end of the handle (that ladder termination also removes a piece to the handle).

- Feeling small knife, perhaps by the small width of the beginning of the blade.